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	<description>Irony is the new Zen.</description>
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		<title>By: myrnatheminx</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-52145</link>
		<dc:creator>myrnatheminx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Things that she specifically labels as art or worthwhile pursuits: writing, photography, woodworking, painting, reading, exercise, massage, sculpting, metalworking, deconstructing books, complaining about men, Pilates, watching TV (!)&quot;

Hmm, point of information:

I don&#039;t see where she labeled watching TV, pilates, complaining about men, etc., as art in this article. I do see that she said she would prefer to watch TV or take a pilates class than  participate in crafting. (p, 72)

All she seems to be saying above is that she would rather participate in these activities than craft.  

She writes that she experiences relaxation and emotional release, benefits Monson claims for crafting, from &quot;reading, massage, and exercise.&quot; (p. 70)
 
That&#039;s entirely different than what you are imply in your post.  

Clearly, there is some devaluing going on in her article, however, it also sounds to me that she feels devalued by some because she doesn&#039;t like to craft. Sounds like there is some sensitivity about being devalued on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Things that she specifically labels as art or worthwhile pursuits: writing, photography, woodworking, painting, reading, exercise, massage, sculpting, metalworking, deconstructing books, complaining about men, Pilates, watching TV (!)&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, point of information:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see where she labeled watching TV, pilates, complaining about men, etc., as art in this article. I do see that she said she would prefer to watch TV or take a pilates class than  participate in crafting. (p, 72)</p>
<p>All she seems to be saying above is that she would rather participate in these activities than craft.  </p>
<p>She writes that she experiences relaxation and emotional release, benefits Monson claims for crafting, from &#8220;reading, massage, and exercise.&#8221; (p. 70)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s entirely different than what you are imply in your post.  </p>
<p>Clearly, there is some devaluing going on in her article, however, it also sounds to me that she feels devalued by some because she doesn&#8217;t like to craft. Sounds like there is some sensitivity about being devalued on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Vallen Queen</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-34736</link>
		<dc:creator>Vallen Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art is art if the person who makes it says it is. No one else gets to decide that. Other people only get to decide what they like or don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is art if the person who makes it says it is. No one else gets to decide that. Other people only get to decide what they like or don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-33896</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, these are tough questions. Chaucer says the purpose of art is to teach and entertain. That makes good sense. If a book is a dreadful slog and is all arty about itself, does it fulfill its artistic mission? Likewise, if a film is action packed and has nothing new to say about the human condition, is it art?

For me, the medium isn&#039;t the issue. It&#039;s the intent behind the work and boundaries it pushes that elevate it into that special realm where the viewer is moved in some way. 
The fiber arts are a perfectly respectable artistic medium. Ms. Mitchard&#039;s boyfriend sweater was clearly not a work of art. But some of the political and performance pieces spooling out from the fingers of today&#039;s fiber artists, yeah, big time art. 

Thanks for bringing this up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, these are tough questions. Chaucer says the purpose of art is to teach and entertain. That makes good sense. If a book is a dreadful slog and is all arty about itself, does it fulfill its artistic mission? Likewise, if a film is action packed and has nothing new to say about the human condition, is it art?</p>
<p>For me, the medium isn&#8217;t the issue. It&#8217;s the intent behind the work and boundaries it pushes that elevate it into that special realm where the viewer is moved in some way.<br />
The fiber arts are a perfectly respectable artistic medium. Ms. Mitchard&#8217;s boyfriend sweater was clearly not a work of art. But some of the political and performance pieces spooling out from the fingers of today&#8217;s fiber artists, yeah, big time art. </p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this up!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Schmidt-Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-33715</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Schmidt-Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you thank you.

After reading articles in Interweave Knits about knit (and woven!) artifacts that really are preserved in museums and studied with the same kind of attention as Ming Dynasty Vases, I was particularly frustrated by that comparison. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you thank you.</p>
<p>After reading articles in Interweave Knits about knit (and woven!) artifacts that really are preserved in museums and studied with the same kind of attention as Ming Dynasty Vases, I was particularly frustrated by that comparison. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-32648</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think trying to define what is &quot;art&quot; vs. what is &quot;craft&quot; is an argument for the ages.

And why is &quot;art&quot; considered &quot;better&quot;, or a higher form, than &quot;craft&quot;, anyway?

I think &quot;artistry&quot; and &quot;craftsmanship&quot; are terms that can be used interchangeably.

If you watch Antiques Roadshow, you see things labeled as &quot;folk art&quot; (another name for craft) going for high dollar, as high as (or higher than) many paintings (art) they show.

Value is in the eye of the beholder.  And I don&#039;t particularly value that writer&#039;s opinion, if she sees no value in crafts.

-Mary
(sent here by Cass&#039; blog contest)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think trying to define what is &#8220;art&#8221; vs. what is &#8220;craft&#8221; is an argument for the ages.</p>
<p>And why is &#8220;art&#8221; considered &#8220;better&#8221;, or a higher form, than &#8220;craft&#8221;, anyway?</p>
<p>I think &#8220;artistry&#8221; and &#8220;craftsmanship&#8221; are terms that can be used interchangeably.</p>
<p>If you watch Antiques Roadshow, you see things labeled as &#8220;folk art&#8221; (another name for craft) going for high dollar, as high as (or higher than) many paintings (art) they show.</p>
<p>Value is in the eye of the beholder.  And I don&#8217;t particularly value that writer&#8217;s opinion, if she sees no value in crafts.</p>
<p>-Mary<br />
(sent here by Cass&#8217; blog contest)</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnar</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-32634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pushes all my buttons as well, so much so that I had to go off about it in my own post.  Keep fighting the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pushes all my buttons as well, so much so that I had to go off about it in my own post.  Keep fighting the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-32621</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nicely put, you&#039;ve made me want to go look at the original article (I am very curious about this one!) Funny that RS would have an article like this since they have had &quot;how to knit&quot; articles in the past, maybe it is a bit of antimartha-ness going on as well. (Found my way here by a link through Ravelry)

Just one question, what type of Minwax stain should I be using on my bread? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nicely put, you&#8217;ve made me want to go look at the original article (I am very curious about this one!) Funny that RS would have an article like this since they have had &#8220;how to knit&#8221; articles in the past, maybe it is a bit of antimartha-ness going on as well. (Found my way here by a link through Ravelry)</p>
<p>Just one question, what type of Minwax stain should I be using on my bread? <img src='http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Plum Texan</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-32527</link>
		<dc:creator>Plum Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God, I am so glad that I wasn&#039;t the only one who reacted to the article this way. I finished it feeling rather confused as to what I should think, as well as vaguely insulted. On the one hand, if one does not feel the draw to handcrafting of any sort, it is an acceptable thing. But on the other hand, declaring that all such handcrafts are less than art is arrogant and dismissive.

In the end, the whole thing added up to the fact that as much as she wants to believe otherwise, Mitchard still feels the need to be defensive about her lack of interest, which makes her words ring hollow. May I one day have an agent and book deal as good as hers...and may I never think that such a thing entitles me to demean other women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God, I am so glad that I wasn&#8217;t the only one who reacted to the article this way. I finished it feeling rather confused as to what I should think, as well as vaguely insulted. On the one hand, if one does not feel the draw to handcrafting of any sort, it is an acceptable thing. But on the other hand, declaring that all such handcrafts are less than art is arrogant and dismissive.</p>
<p>In the end, the whole thing added up to the fact that as much as she wants to believe otherwise, Mitchard still feels the need to be defensive about her lack of interest, which makes her words ring hollow. May I one day have an agent and book deal as good as hers&#8230;and may I never think that such a thing entitles me to demean other women.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.siliconashes.net/~imbrium/?p=402&#038;cpage=1#comment-32461</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. In my opinion people are far too concerned with judging. It&#039;s all we do, what&#039;s good and what&#039;s bad, etc. Everything, and I mean everything has value. It may not have value to you, but it has value to at least one person on this globe and that&#039;s all that really matters. Enough with this idea of &quot;my _____ (fill in the blank) is better than your _____&quot; It&#039;s merely a difference in preference and different is ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. In my opinion people are far too concerned with judging. It&#8217;s all we do, what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s bad, etc. Everything, and I mean everything has value. It may not have value to you, but it has value to at least one person on this globe and that&#8217;s all that really matters. Enough with this idea of &#8220;my _____ (fill in the blank) is better than your _____&#8221; It&#8217;s merely a difference in preference and different is ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell yeah!  I agree that I would need to read the whole article before forming an opinion.  But just based on the excerpts you chose, it sounds like she is devaluing what many great creators have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell yeah!  I agree that I would need to read the whole article before forming an opinion.  But just based on the excerpts you chose, it sounds like she is devaluing what many great creators have done.</p>
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